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A Crashing and Burning, California Style: Be Afraid, America, Be Very Afraid - Big Journalism
News Type: Opinion — Seeded on Sat Feb 6, 2010 8:28 PM EST
Article Source: bigjournalism.com
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{"commentId":12225908,"authorDomain":"relentlesscomedy"}
Could America itself actually end up like California? Let us pray that does not happen.
{"commentId":12225908,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"relentlesscomedy"}
- 17 votes
#1 - Sat Feb 6, 2010 8:35 PM EST{"commentId":12226676,"authorDomain":"paxildog"}
While the article is statistically correct, it never mentions that the state still increased it's population by 1.1% between 2008 and 2009. Increases will occur for at least the next 10 years according to the state. Many jobs left and yes the number one cause is stupidity of Pelosie and Boxer, both of who should be out of office next election due to untrue water shortages and wasteful spending not controlled by, of all people, the state controller or governor. The other part the article forgot was that the creation of new jobs in the state is also the highest of the entire nation, another state statistic. Of those new companies needing workers, most hire internally from the graduates from schools in state. The truly unfortunate part is that the more isolated California becomes, the worse the rest of the nation will become. Sad but true. Not denying this article just adding some state website information to it. Later...
{"commentId":12226676,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"paxildog"}
- 13 votes
{"commentId":12227043,"authorDomain":"relentlesscomedy"}
Thanks for the info. paxildog. Just want the truth whatever that may be.
{"commentId":12227043,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"relentlesscomedy"}
- 10 votes
{"commentId":12229367,"authorDomain":"eriqalan"}
Untrue water shortages?
have you been doing your namesake drug?
This L I E is so easy to disprove; just look in the big reservoirs
Denying reality is one definition of insanity; clearly you demonstrate the need for professional help. (shakes head in disbelief and disgust)
{"commentId":12229367,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"eriqalan"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":12229670,"authorDomain":"paxildog"}
Eriq - You deserve no real response but... You couldn't get out of a wet paper bag if you tried. If your proof is a low reservoir you are by far and away the most gullible person on the planet. Look up engineering data for water sourcing in California. Read the simple minded graphs that show what the old levels used to be for shortages, the new and improved ones are for the new smelt fish, courtesy of Boxer. BTW - that's just for the above ground lakes. Most of the water used in CA is underground reservoirs refilled by snow runoff. Please leave the big boy stuff to the adults, go back to daycare, the retirement home or what ever rock you crawled out from as you obviously can't even form a complete intelligent thought.
Don't bother Relentlesscomedy, I'm out of here due to this person constantly not knowing anything about anything and calling himself something above special needs.
BTW - out of Sacramento: SACRAMENTO--January’s rain and snow was just what California needed to beef-up its water supply.
A monthly snow pack survey put the water content average at 115 percent of normal.
It’s the first survey since February 2008 that the values were, at least, up to normal.
{"commentId":12229670,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"paxildog"}
- 8 votes
{"commentId":12229707,"authorDomain":"relentlesscomedy"}
Thanks for the intelligent comments....later.
{"commentId":12229707,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"relentlesscomedy"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":12231756,"authorDomain":"markesanchez-marke"}
Yep big rainy season here so far, and it's not done yet. The article is right though, about the spending problems.
{"commentId":12231756,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"markesanchez-marke"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":12234437,"authorDomain":"ebookout"}
Does erig have an issue with drugs he seems to relate to it allot? Just a question nothing personal. Just comes up if you don't agree with him.
{"commentId":12234437,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"ebookout"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":12242628,"authorDomain":"Cuporeality"}
There wouldn't be a water shortage if Pelosi would turn the water back on in SJ Valley. The farmers are standing in food lines along with the farm hands while Nancy got her increase in water doubled for her vineyards. This state has been going down hill ever since the liberals took over. It's a down right shame. They've increased taxes and can't seem to fathom why business's are going elsewhere, nor do they understand that lessens tax revenue.
{"commentId":12242628,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"Cuporeality"}
- 10 votes
{"commentId":12242685,"authorDomain":"relentlesscomedy"}
Thank you for the informative comment MODERATE.
{"commentId":12242685,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"relentlesscomedy"}
- 8 votes
{"commentId":12242779,"authorDomain":"Cuporeality"}
Your welcome relentlesscomedy Sorry if it sounds a bit stand offish, I'm not feeling well today.
Pelosi and the EPA turned off the farmers water to save a 2 inch fish called the Delta Smelt. In my book, it's a bait fish. It irritates me a great deal considering that it has had a major adverse effect on the state. We now get a lot of our produce from Chili, Mexico and other places abroad. By the time the produce gets here, it is either rotted or simply has no flavor. But the liberals seem to think that this fish is more important than the people.
{"commentId":12242779,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"Cuporeality"}
- 9 votes
{"commentId":12242812,"authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
Water isn't for 'Pelosi' to turn on...
If the big Ag farms in the southern portion of the Valley wanted to farm in the desert then they should have been prepared for 'scare' water and made plantings and irrigation control accordingly...And not expect to get 'cheap Fed Water' for nothing while the rest of the population conserved and paid through the nose for their usage...
But, of course, those on the side of the Big Ag farms want to see restrictions lifted because they don't understand that little fish in the delta rivers feed the salmon, that feed the orca's that are now about to become endangered...so instead of sharing these farms just want the cheap water for themselves so they can 'grow' more federal subsidized crops that gets shipped overseas...See it is the few 'business owners' that benefits here, cheap land (they got it from the state and fed's for pennies on the dollar) using fed supported water (paying pennies on the dollar) to grow crops that are supported by the federal government...and all the extra goes into their pockets...
I have seeded a lot of 'CA water' related articles...
The Delta...
water...
There is a big push by GAS and his big ag buddies to have the state (and Feds) to build a new multi-billion dollar canal through the state that will be as large as the Panama Canal...it's so they can have control of water and delivery...there is no guarantee that it will fix the delta let alone 'solve' our water issues...
Delta Water Wars Will Heat Up When Legislature Returns
If you thought the summer budget battle was fierce and ugly, "just wait until you see the uproar that’s about to take place in Northern California over the resurrection of the old 'Peripheral Canal' water conveyance project,...
"The Governor is working to rush this new version of the Peripheral Canal through the process without any meaningful public input,"...
This canal project would rival the Panama Canal in size and length and would slice through the Delta region. The canal, to accomodate 15,000 cfs of Sacramento River water, would be 500 to 700 feet wide with a 1300 foot right of way. This canal and right of way combined would amount to being the size of 100 lane freeway! In comparison, the Panama Canal is 500 to 700 feet wide.
The canal would be 47 to 48 miles long, compared to the Panama Canal's 50 mile length.
A growing coalition of recreational anglers, commercial fishermen, Delta farmers, Delta businesses, California Indian Tribes and environmentalists is opposing the "Panama Canal" north because of its obscene cost and the catastrophic threat it poses to collapsing Central Valley salmon, Delta smelt, longfin smelt, green sturgeon and other fish populations. This canal also threatens to drive the southern resident population of killer whales, which depends on Sacramento River salmon for food on the ocean, over the abyss of extinction.
{"commentId":12242812,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":12242877,"authorDomain":"relentlesscomedy"}
On Hannity I had heard about the farmers not getting water and the delta smelt. Seems unreal doesn't it? Of course we NEVER WOULD HAVE HEARD ABOUT THROUGH THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA. And they keep trying to tell me Fox lies.
{"commentId":12242877,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"relentlesscomedy"}
- 7 votes
{"commentId":12242914,"authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
Are you kidding?...
It's been all over the news for years...you just weren't paying attention...
{"commentId":12242914,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":12243053,"authorDomain":"relentlesscomedy"}
I just know i used to watch MSNBC constantly and NEVER heard about the delta smelt or pelosi and her involvement in who gets water and who doesn't. So, explain that one pal.
{"commentId":12243053,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"relentlesscomedy"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":12243140,"authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
Read my articles I posted (the link in in comment #1.11) ...there are about 30 of them...it will give you a better understanding...
Or you can visit the California Issues group and look at various articles there...under water, delta, water rights, etc...
{"commentId":12243140,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":12243680,"authorDomain":"Cuporeality"}
Do you have this information?
Pacific salmon declines have been blamed on hydropower, overfishing, ocean conditions, and land-use practices; however, less is known about introduced fish impacts. Most of the hundreds
Ameiurus, black crappie Pomoxis nigromaculatus, bluegill Lepomis macrochirus, golden shinerNotemigonus crysoleucas salmoides, green sunfish Lepomis cyanellus, largemouth bass Micropterus, pumpkinseed Lepomis gibbosus, rainbow trout Oncorhynchus mykiss, warmouthLepomis gulosus, and yellow perch Perca flavescens) and two native fishes (cutthroat troutOncorhynchus clarki,and prickly sculpin Cottus asper) on wild juvenile coho salmonOncorhynchus kisutchwatersheds. Of these species, largemouth bass were responsible for an average of 98% of the predation on coho salmon in all lakes, but total impact to each run varied among lakes and years. Very few coho salmon were eaten by black crappie, brown bullhead catfish, cutthroat trout, prickly sculpin, and yellow perch, while other species were not observed to eat coho salmon. Juvenile coho salmon growth in all lakes was higher than in nearby streams. Therefore, food competition between coho salmon and introduced fishes in lakes was probably not limiting coho salmon populations. Largemouth bass are widespread, present in 85% of lowland warmwater public-access lakes of Washington (n=421). Future research would help identify impact of largemouth bass predation across the region, and prioritize lakes where impacts are most severe. Nevertheless, attempts to transplant or increase largemouth bass numbers in lakes important to coho salmon would be counterproductive to coho salmon enhancement efforts. in three shallow western Washington lakes, all located in different nebulosusof lakes and ponds in the Pacific Northwest contain introduced fish and many of these water bodies are also important for salmon production, especially coho salmon. Over two years, we examined predation impacts of ten common introduced fishes (brown bullhead catfish
There is a similar type situation in Alaska where sportsman introduced fish for sport and is now eating the native fish.
{"commentId":12243680,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"Cuporeality"}
- 7 votes
{"commentId":12245087,"authorDomain":"markesanchez-marke"}
The beginning of the demise of the river runs was due to the overlogging of forests in the northwest, mostly because much of the logging operations were clear cut operations. This was further exacerbated by the devastating flood of 64/65, which clearly proved the dangers of massive clear cuts. The next stage of the decline occured when technology finally solved the age old mystery of, 'where did the salmon go once they left the rivers'?. This allowed the super fishing factories to follow and harvest salmon at any point in their migration. Added on top of this was the growth of the mega farms, and the pumps which were installed in the delta to move large volumes of water to the mega farms. Then there were the complications from invasive or introduced species, which from the 70's on has steadily grown.
{"commentId":12245087,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"markesanchez-marke"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":12245421,"authorDomain":"Cuporeality"}
I'm not surprised there are numerous events that led up to this, but we still need to feed the people. From what I understand, they did have some possible solutions that would allow the farmers to receive water, but decided not to go that route.
{"commentId":12245421,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"Cuporeality"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":12245725,"authorDomain":"markesanchez-marke"}
What is really needed now, is for these farms to use every water saving technique available to maximize the resource. It is being done now, but they should have started way earlier. Look at what Israel accomplished with their farming techniques, which they have employed for many decades.
{"commentId":12245725,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"markesanchez-marke"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":12245813,"authorDomain":"Cuporeality"}
I also think that recreational activities that involve water should be the first to be curbed. It is more important for people to eat than to have water recreation. And if I have my choice between Pelosi making more wine and farmers supplying our grocers, I would vote for the farmers.
{"commentId":12245813,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"Cuporeality"}
- 7 votes
{"commentId":12280989,"authorDomain":"paxildog"}
I would vote for the farmers or anything over Pelosie. She needs to be gone in the worst way.
{"commentId":12280989,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"paxildog"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":12226327,"authorDomain":"gracchus"}
California shows us what to expect from a policy of cutting taxes in order to force the reduction of government (Proposition 13, and procedural laws which make it impossible to raise taxes to compensate). In the words of Grover Norquist:
My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years, to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub
Dear Grover, It's working!
Oh, and don't forget deregulation. Enron made an additional hundred billion in California from Phil Gramm's deregulation after forcing PG&E out of buisiness and before they were finally shut down.
That's twice California's current deficit.
So, yes, the Republicans ought to be excited seeing that their plans for the future of the USA can actually bear fruit.
{"commentId":12226327,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"gracchus"}
- 15 votes
#2 - Sat Feb 6, 2010 9:12 PM EST{"commentId":12230877,"authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
Precisely, and add to that a 2/3rds requirement for any budget to be passed in the Capitol and term limits...you have a better picture of the problems too..
{"commentId":12230877,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":12232690,"authorDomain":"minan59"}
This reminds me of Reaganomics, cut taxes and spend. It is only a matter of time before it crashes.
{"commentId":12232690,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"minan59"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":12258994,"authorDomain":"only1paula23"}
Prop 13 was a life saver for many Californians that saw their property taxes tripling because the market value of their home increased. As a Californian I can tell you the reason we want the 2/3 requirement is because our taxes are already through the roof and without any oversight our wacky government would keep on raising them. Our sales tax rate in Los Angeles county just hit 9.75% and yet we are still broke. What we need isn't more taxes, its less spending. We are a welfare state and its killing those of us that actually pay taxes. We have been ran by the Dems for decades and look where it has gotten us. Sorry but you can't blame the Republicans for my state being a total mess, they have no power in California.
{"commentId":12258994,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"only1paula23"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":12262608,"authorDomain":"markesanchez-marke"}
Prop 13 was enacted to help the many older residents, who were on fixed incomes, from facing the loss of their homes. When a home is sold, it is then taxed at a higher rate. So it wasn't the reason for the escalating economic downfall of California. Besides every resident of California benefits from the services of the state, not just home owners.
{"commentId":12262608,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"markesanchez-marke"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":12262810,"authorDomain":"gregbpc"}
Property taxes were a cash cow for CA the last number of years. Unfortunately, the unions and legislatures spent it faster than it was coming in, instead of planning for a rainy day.
{"commentId":12262810,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"gregbpc"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":12264432,"authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
One thing that Prop 13 did was take property tax revenue collection from the cities & counties and gave it to the 'state'...yes it did set taxes on property to '1%' of sales prices.
This prop, unknown to most, also includes 'business property' too. So such large 'land owners' like 'Disneyland' that bought 1,000's of acres in the 50's, are paying pennies on the 100 dollar for the land at 78 prices (with at most a 2% increase per year)...instead of a more current land value ......this too is also was a lost revenue source to the cities and counties...
To make up for this loss each city & county since has set their own set of 'fees', development fees, builders fees, permit fees, infrastructure fees, Mello Roos (for 'public' facilities) fees, etc...
Also,
I would like to see a detailed list of all the programs and services that the 'unions & legislature' has spent the State's money on...it is easy to be an 'echo chamber' and say that they are 'overspending', very few will back up their words with links to the state budgets...
2010 Proposed Budget by GAS
{"commentId":12264432,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":12226347,"authorDomain":"robynlewis04"}
Thank God I live in Texas, although I shudder if a Dem ever gets back in power.
{"commentId":12226347,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"robynlewis04"}
- 16 votes
#3 - Sat Feb 6, 2010 9:14 PM EST{"commentId":12229653,"authorDomain":"eriqalan"}
Why?
The government might suddenly become responsible; pay its bills instead of passing the buck?
{"commentId":12229653,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"eriqalan"}
- 7 votes
{"commentId":12232708,"authorDomain":"minan59"}
Why?
Because republicans believe their own propaganda instead of their historical precidence.
{"commentId":12232708,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"minan59"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":12234473,"authorDomain":"ebookout"}
The government might suddenly become responsible; pay its bills instead of passing the buck?
Really the Democrats are I guess? Now that's funny.
{"commentId":12234473,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"ebookout"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":12226546,"authorDomain":"relentlesscomedy"}
Texas is one of the states doing better than most......others should follow their example.
{"commentId":12226546,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"relentlesscomedy"}
- 16 votes
#4 - Sat Feb 6, 2010 9:35 PM EST{"commentId":12226594,"authorDomain":"gracchus"}
Yes, Texas got a lot of the money stolen by Enron from California in 2000.
No hard feelings, though. I can certainly acknowlege when someone does a good job of making the free-market economy work for them.
{"commentId":12226594,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"gracchus"}
- 10 votes
{"commentId":12227086,"authorDomain":"ebookout"}
If government growth is not checked and reversed you will very easily see what happening in calf. happen to us all. Kind of like a cancel that kills the host. For short Unions in government.
{"commentId":12227086,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"ebookout"}
- 9 votes
#5 - Sat Feb 6, 2010 10:17 PM EST{"commentId":12227219,"authorDomain":"relentlesscomedy"}
Sadly....I agree with you. We all have to face the truth. However, you have many "progressives" who believe we will have some kind of socialist paradise.
{"commentId":12227219,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"relentlesscomedy"}
- 15 votes
{"commentId":12227472,"authorDomain":"ebookout"}
There has not been one yet because of one big factor. Socialist wants to play all day while someone else pays for it. The problem begins when there is no one to pay anymore. Welcome Calf., Colo, every school system and government office. The bubbles busting.
{"commentId":12227472,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"ebookout"}
- 10 votes
{"commentId":12229634,"authorDomain":"eriqalan"}
This continuing ignorance is appalling; government has not grown in California - the population however has and more people need more services
The wingnuttism is displayed the minute someone abuses the term "Socialist - this refers to an ECONOMIC system, not a political one
Seriously, all you did was a wingnut crazy rant - none of which has any facts to back it up
{"commentId":12229634,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"eriqalan"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":12234110,"authorDomain":"ebookout"}
government has not grown in California
Cost has grown to the point of business leaving the state. Why ar cost higher? Unions ! Check he ratio of government employees to private that's has to pay for it. But again I'm sure which side you get you check from for the present. Times they are a changing..
This continuing ignorance is appalling
Why because someone doesn't agree with you?
{"commentId":12234110,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"ebookout"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":12259272,"authorDomain":"only1paula23"}
This continuing ignorance is appalling; government has not grown in California - the population however has and more people need more services
The population growth in California is largely due to immigrant population and birth rate. For the past 6 years the tax-paying portion of California has been leaving in droves because of people like you that believe that the taxpayers should spend more taking care of the shiftless and a ridiculously high cost of living.
http://lansner.freedomblogging.com/2009/07/22/california-exodus/30483/
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56876
http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070304/news_lz1b4calbreat.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/07/world/americas/07iht-california.html?_r=1
{"commentId":12259272,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"only1paula23"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":12227566,"authorDomain":"PaddyClarke"}
Sad.
I remember the time when it was my dream to some day settle in the sunshine state. Now, financially at least, the state is a basket case.
{"commentId":12227566,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"PaddyClarke"}
- 6 votes
#6 - Sat Feb 6, 2010 10:43 PM EST{"commentId":12227913,"authorDomain":"ebookout"}
Housing market sucks for workers but if you are buying some cheap houses available.
I'm a Florida cracker...
{"commentId":12227913,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"ebookout"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":12229865,"authorDomain":"eriqalan"}
Paddy - The real problem at the nitty gritty - Prop 13 was a tax shift - they shifted the cost of property based services like police, fire, libraries, parks, etc. into income taxes and sales taxes; away from the rich and onto the middle class and poorer
Services were slowly cut but that means people suffered
Home Prices artificially inflated as people could afford a more expensive house with a lower payment thanks to lower property taxes which just made things better for property sellers but worse for working people - they created a bubble on the fictional value and borrowed against it again and again
At some point that house of cards had to fall; but when it did it took people's life savings with it; and took government as well (when people do not buy anything sales taxes fall; when people's houses suddenly lose the artificial value property taxes fall; This all hit the state after many years of republican governors. (since 1975 there were 4 years of Gray Davis - otherwise Republicans) and the weird rules in the legislature that favor the minority being able to stop anyone from fixing / changing / repairing things
This is the same thing that is happening now in our national government - a minority is able to block repairing burned out schools, etc.; they even fought republican governors who are responsible for actually doing something; they would not let schwarzenegger's fix get passed, This is a prime example of the term "dysfunctional"
California is ripe for a ballot initiative to fix this, that seems the only way - but California is also a media state and money talks - all you need to do is raise people Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt and they will vote against any change
{"commentId":12229865,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"eriqalan"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":12234153,"authorDomain":"ebookout"}
Funny how it only took a so called 10% unemployment for the government to run out of money. I would think the overhead (government) is out of wack with it income (tax payer).
{"commentId":12234153,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"ebookout"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":12242224,"authorDomain":"PaddyClarke"}
Whatever the case may be, as per the seeded article itself, it is a simple case of mismanagement of the state economy.
Outrageous benefits and perks promised in times of prosperity suddenly seem well out of reach in troubled times. The case of GM should be a lesson in such matters. Unfortunately, it seems more than likely that the federal govt will bail it out setting a bad precedent.
{"commentId":12242224,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"PaddyClarke"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":12242983,"authorDomain":"ebookout"}
agree with you.
{"commentId":12242983,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"ebookout"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":12272313,"authorDomain":"PaddyClarke"}
This is the same thing that is happening now in our national government - a minority is able to block repairing burned out schools, etc.;
Eriq, you seriously don't believe that s#$t do you ?!
A minority can't block jack. Face up to the fact - There is no money. Show me a politician who will not put his name/face on a project to build/repair a school and I will show you a pig which can fly.
People like you want to cut the nose to spite the face (i.e. seize the money of the rich even though it means less tax revenue and less incentive to invest) so badly that you drive the people out of states. Note that there is net migration out of the state of California. California ! For god's sake, it's the sunshine state !!!!
{"commentId":12272313,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"PaddyClarke"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":12272408,"authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
Eric is correct, the GOP/Rep (minority) people in the legislature voted constantly during the budget process by simply saying NO...
This is why the budget has been over 100 days late the last few years...The people of the state know who is the cause of the stalemate, they see who is saying NO...
This just means that there will be added push by Democrats to make sure that there is more than 2/3 Dems in the legislature to ward off this type of behavior in the future. This means less Republicans will hold seats...
{"commentId":12272408,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":12229425,"authorDomain":"cried"}
The best thing that could ever happen to CA (IMO) would be if all companies, and non civil servants, departed and let the remainder pay their own way for everything. I've said for years that there are too many people on the government payroll , either currently working or retired on it.
Oh and maybe make their pensions location dependent. If they choose to leave CA then they could lose all their pension rights... that would at least protect some of the other states, so that these people couldn't bring their dangerous ideas/votes elsewhere with them.
{"commentId":12229425,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"cried"}
- 5 votes
#7 - Sun Feb 7, 2010 12:27 AM EST{"commentId":12229725,"authorDomain":"relentlesscomedy"}
Sounds like a plan.......
{"commentId":12229725,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"relentlesscomedy"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":12230183,"authorDomain":"eriqalan"}
Could you be more childish?
You are blaming government's fantasized faults on workers?
What kind of drugs are YOU doing; I want those drugs, I want the incredible hallucinations, the delusions of grandeur
Reality is sooooo boring
{"commentId":12230183,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"eriqalan"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":12230277,"authorDomain":"relentlesscomedy"}
The Gov't is the problem in cali. Stop listening to media matters and check things out for yourself. I think they are 500 billion in debt? Something close to that anyway. Yet have the highest taxes of just about any state in the union.
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- 10 votes
{"commentId":12234226,"authorDomain":"ebookout"}
erig, hang on to your job why you can .Things are changing but not the way you think.
Reality is sooooo boring
Yes you are! same old union nonsense..
{"commentId":12234226,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"ebookout"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":12235209,"authorDomain":"shub"}
Waiting for the big earthquake over there before I start panicking.
{"commentId":12235209,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"shub"}
- 3 votes
#8 - Sun Feb 7, 2010 11:39 AM EST{"commentId":12245645,"authorDomain":"Cuporeality"}
Another issue that hurt this state was closing military bases in the nineties. It had a serious economic affects on several cities.
http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050116/news_1n16bases.html
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- 8 votes
#9 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 1:08 AM EST{"commentId":12252471,"authorDomain":"kappamanstew"}
i hear so much ignorance from people who don't live in this state. the state has had some thirty nine republican governors and around nineteen democrats. the disastrous howard jarvis pushed proposition 13 pushed the economics of this state into ruin. the requirement that a 2/3 majority has to be reached before changes can be made in the state budget is ridiculous. the incredible amount power that a handfull of republican assembly persons have via the california constitution to block any legislation is another. the water was not curbed in the california canal just because of the delta smelt (although they have just as much right to live as you and i) but because that water in the san francisco bay was being affected the water that should have flowed into the bay was diverted and ocean water was coming in. that was affecting the salinity of the bay water. the water was being subjected to a host of new invasive species of salt water animals, quite a few from cargo ships blowing their ballast in the bay. they needed to let more fresh water from the sacramento and san joaquin rivers flow into the bay. the ecology of the san francisco and san pablo bays was on the verge of being irreparably damaged
for the people who think that companies are going to all leave this state keep having those pipe dreams. you must not have every been here. this is a gorgeous state in terms of natural beauty and can't be topped in terms of the diversity of activities that can be accessed. most in one day. you can go from the beach and surfing to skiing in the same day. from deserts to forests in a day.
the budget deficit in california is the result of the lack of being able make responsible changes in the state due to prop 13 and republican obstructionism so when the times are good you don't have the flexibility to make the changes that would be fiscally sound. it surely did not help that bush allowed enron to rape the california budget and the republican pushed deregulation killed pg&e and turned it from an energy producer into an impotent energy broker at the will of suppliers like duke and enron
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- 2 votes
#10 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 12:41 PM EST{"commentId":12253056,"authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
Well said...at least someone here knows what they are talking about...
{"commentId":12253056,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":12253227,"authorDomain":"relentlesscomedy"}
I'll give it to you that many things factor in....including f-ed up repubs. However, it does not change the fact that extreme liberal environmental policies, high taxes and Gov't spending is a BIG part of the blame. Do you truly want to deny that?
{"commentId":12253227,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"relentlesscomedy"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":12255451,"authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
Yes.
This might answer some of your questions...
It has links to a Poll of the people of CA by the Public Policy Institute of CA...the findings are such that the people strongly want these 'environmental' restrictions...and aren't falling for the smoke screens by those opposed to them...
For the ratio of state workers to 'private' workers our state employees do more work than that of the other state's state employees...at less pay...so it isn't so much Big Government, but efficient government...
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":12255816,"authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
Oh and there is this...
In 2007 California had the 2nd lowest number of full-time equivalent state government employees relative to population among all states. California had 103 state employees for every 10,000 residents while Illinois had the lowest ratio at 97.
Yet who is it that claims these are 'liberal money wasting states'?
The U.S. average was 143 state employees per 10,000 residents.
California’s ratio of state government employees relative to population was 28% below the national average.Florida, Arizona and Nevada were also among the five states with the lowest
ratios of state workers to population. Texas had 122 state employees per 10,000
residents.When state and local government employees (including education) are added together, California has the 4th lowest ratio of employees to population
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":12256396,"authorDomain":"relentlesscomedy"}
If your stats on Gov't employees is correct...great. What does that or a poll taken have to do with Cali being around 500 billion in debt? At least if memory serves that is the amount of debt. I could be wrong on the numbers. How can you call that "efficient" Gov't?
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":12257489,"authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
Can you tell me where you get the '500 billion' debt...even at our worst last year it was only $104 billion...
Now as to that...when GAS became governor he declined to take the 'court awarded money' from the Enron case...(about 1.2 billion at the time)...He turned it down...refused to accept the cash...Boy was/were 'we the people' upset about that, because the state was about $30+ Billion in debt at that time because of the 'Enron electricity contracts' and those very contracts were being 'redrawn' at a lower cost to the state......(oh yeah and thank the Republicans like former Gov Pete Wilson for the higher 'electricity rates' because of the 'deregulation' of power in CA) Surprisingly discussed before the 'fiasco' but ignored...
He then also rescinded the higher DMV registration renewal fees at a loss to the state of just over $5 billion a year (times 6 years is another 30 billion) bringing our 'debt' up to 60+ billion...then he 'borrowed' bringing us higher into debt... (another 30+ billion). Now he has reneged on that DMV rescission which means those 'higher fees' are now in effect...
AND we are in more debt than before he took office...(which was the 'reason' for him running for Gov in the first place)...
Had the other steps been taken and his 'GOP' ways not been in effect the state would have a balanced budget by now even with the whole 'financial meltdown'...
{"commentId":12257489,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":12254135,"authorDomain":"lisafrequency"}
I hope the people of California vote Pelosi out she is hurting our nation and your state.
{"commentId":12254135,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"lisafrequency"}
- 6 votes
#11 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 1:58 PM EST{"commentId":12254277,"authorDomain":"relentlesscomedy"}
From your lips to gods ears..........
{"commentId":12254277,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"relentlesscomedy"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":12260891,"authorDomain":"Cuporeality"}
If I had a vote for that, I would vote her out. She is in SF so will probably get reelected unless someone can convince them that she is ruining this state.
{"commentId":12260891,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"Cuporeality"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":12268470,"authorDomain":"lisafrequency"}
Even if you don't live in SF call all your friends and family and start a campaign against her. You can do it California!! Vote John Dennis! I bet the look on her face would be priceless when she finds out she has been stripped of her power....
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":12257960,"authorDomain":"ma91744-1"}
As a very long time resident of CA, I find the recent problems with CA was and continues to be caused by the misspending of tax revenue. That's it.
{"commentId":12257960,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"ma91744-1"}
- 3 votes
#12 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 4:25 PM EST{"commentId":12258607,"authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
That may be true for a small portion of it...the most is going to 'schools' and 'prisons'...
But, this is fun...try these games...it doesn't give the whole story...though it does help to show you how complicated the budget process and budget really is and what/what cannot be done by law.
That is also why I hold people in a little bit of contempt when they say 'well just cut this' and everything will be fine...it isn't like a 'magic fairy' will come in and set thing right if you just 'cut' all the programs...and don't recognize that taxes do have to be raised....
Because even as an accountant...I know it is not cut & dry nor simple.
Balancing California’s Budget: The Home Game
Next 10 Budget Challenge (which is more complicated)
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":12259061,"authorDomain":"relentlesscomedy"}
Well, thanks for all the info. dcstone. I read most of it.
{"commentId":12259061,"threadId":"785308","contentId":"3864157","authorDomain":"relentlesscomedy"}
- 3 votes
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